Conversations with Maitreya

08/17/2003

 

Maitreya: Sal-Om everybody. I hope all are doing OK. It sounds like we have only our people here today. I hope everybody is going great, are One with the Mission, and are one-pointed about God.

Probably today is a good day to see how much everybody knows about our Teaching. We can have a conversation among ourselves. I would think probably some people also got locked out or blacked out with the black-out they had there. And some people also like to come a little later so they are not told what to do in the room when we read about how to keep the energy up.

So hopefully some other people are going to join us today, but if you have any questions yourselves, go ahead and bring them up. This is a time for asking your questions, and we can have a higher level of conversation among the people who are already in the Mission. So, if you have a question, raise your hand and we can go from there.

Of course, a lot of people come during the week and they say they are going to be here but somehow they do not make it. There is always an obstacle for the people to do that. I can just say that this is the Mission of Maitreya and welcome to our Conversation Room.

Alright, Shirin, go ahead. Shirin has a question.

 

Randy: Sal-Om Maitreya-Ji, Sal-Om to the room. Ah, this is not Shirin. I do have a question. In The Reminder, I really like saying that, and sometimes different parts stand out in my mind, so I contemplate on those and it really is insightful and rewarding. My question today is about the last line, “In reverence we bow our heads in front of all those Great Souls who will teach us how to know You and show us the way to Pure Consciousness, as is the Goal.” Could you elaborate how they help us? What does this influence that they have look like? How do they do that? Thank you.

Maitreya: Yes, the Great Souls have been with humanity from the very beginning of creation, and they have come as Prophets, as spiritual teachers, as founders of great nations or religions, or as truth that has come to man, like Ghandhi or Prophets or Messiahs. Although we surrender and submit to God only, we do respect these people for their contribution and help that they have given to us to realize God in a greater degree, and they have been chosen by God to come to man to awaken to a greater level of consciousness. 

So they are Great Souls and therefore they have to be respected and loved, and even if such a desire exists, we bow down our heads in front of them that they have been helpful in directing humanity to a higher level of consciousness. That is what that sentence means.

A Great Soul is a person who is absolutely dedicated to God and to helping humanity to go to God and manifest great things in the past, or now, or in the future. 

Who do you think the Great Souls are? Who do you consider as the Great Souls or anybody who can tell us who are the Great Souls? I would consider Prophets and Messiahs and those people who have helped humanity to become more God conscious as Great Souls.

People who wage wars and destruction and really did not bring a greater realization of God to humanity, I do not think they are Great Souls, because they probably are not helping humans to reach higher consciousness. So if anybody wants to tell us who are the Great Souls that you think they are, who are the Great Souls for you?

 

Tahirah [text]: All Prophets in The Greatest Sign.

Maitreya: Great, yes, that is a good one. Go ahead Randy or Shirin, I guess it is Randy, go ahead Randy.

 

Randy: Yes sir, I agree with what you are saying about the Prophets and all the information you said, and thank God they are all truth.

I also think it seems like on a daily basis there is an influence, I so not know if it is God but I am wondering if some of these higher Souls are influencing events in our lives so that we can have these experiences that we might need for our own growth or to get some clarity about something that we might have been meditating on or concentrating on. It seems like they have that kind of influence. 

Maitreya: OK, what kind of beings are they that they are influencing our daily lives? Do they have any names, or are they spirit or beings, just like an angel or “hierarchy?” What do you mean by, they are influencing our lives daily?

Randy: There just seems to be events sometimes in the daily life that seems there is the influence of The Holy Spirit or whatever element of Great Souls that may up The Holy Spirit, including God. It seems to personally instruct us or guide us or certain events that we have some kind of spirit or Greatest Spirit. I hope that makes sense.

Maitreya: Is sounds like your question is close to referring to beings like “hierarchy” or “angels” or beings that they are agents of God between man and God. Therefore, they are intercepting for us to have those influences that you are talking about. We do not believe in those things.

We believe that man has to go to God directly and with a direct connection to God, we will reach Him, and anybody between us and God is going to be an obstacle in our path, be it the teacher, but it the mullah, be it the rabbi, be it the father or brother, or whoever, or the “hierarchy” or anybody, or an “angel.” When you get attached to them and do not give the thanks and credit to God, we still are going to fall from the highest realization and achievement.

Therefore we have to be very careful when we see these influences in our lives to give the credit and thanks to God directly, because all thanks go to God and anybody else between us and God maybe helps us to go to God but He is the goal, to return to Pure Consciousness. That is the goal.

The goal is not to praise the rabbis or mullahs, because they have created so many problems already by people becoming so attached to the brahmins or rabbis or teachers. That is why the Mission really does not have teachers or preachers. The Mission encourages every person to become proficient in our teaching, progress by themselves toward God, learn the Teaching in the highest level, and give all the thanks to God but there is no one else between us and God.

That is why that last sentence in The Reminder has been given, that we give thanks to God for everything but also we respect and give respect to people God has chosen to help us. So there is a tendency in a lot of people, it sounds like they need something between themselves and God, some angel, some guardian angel or hierarchy or mullah or teacher, and this and that.

That is one of the things that is really between the human and God that has created an obstacle instead of helping them to go to God. It makes them to stay in that level of consciousness that is connected to these beings.

I am hoping that you are not talking about those, I am hoping that we eventually get to be very clear to all our members and all humanity that the goal is to go to God directly and understand the Eternal Divine Path and not to get attached to anything between us. Of course there are influences in everybody’s life every day.

Everybody is guided to realize that they have to spend more time and energy toward becoming Godly, becoming Divine, following the Eternal Divine Path, and making their lives in such a way that they set an example for other people out there to also become Godly and will wish to live in the Communities of Light.

So, there are influences out there, of course, and that is all from God. Everybody is guided. God has agents that He uses to send these influences for each individual and humanity, and that is The Holy Ghost. That is the influence that comes so us from The Holy Ghost, and we see that those things that happen in our lives that guide us to go to the higher level.

Of course, there are influences in all levels physically, mentally, and spiritually. The more we become in tune with God, the more we can see these influences in our lives in a greater degree. But one thing everybody should make it very clear to themselves and everyone else is that it is The Holy Ghost. 

Even if there is a being, just like a Gabriel who appeared to Prophet Muhammad and told him what his mission was, it was because he needed something like that. But really even then, all thanks go to God. He manifested Gabriel as a being so Prophet Muhammad accepted his mission. Otherwise he would not have, because he needed somebody … actually he thought he was going crazy and having crazy visions, and things like that.

But was that really a human and had a human body like a man? And Prophet Muhammad saw it, like a vision that a lot of people have from angels, they have wings and are like little children and are flying around. Probably those people needed those visions but the greater realization of God is Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and Eternal (FINE).

Yes, there are influences, there are … as I said, even the smallest fish in the ocean, God knows about them and He knows what He is going to do, where they came from.

If He is concerned for the smallest fish in the ocean, of course He is also concerned for us and we are greater than a little fish in the ocean. So for us, it is mind-boggling that a Being that knows about everybody and everything, even a grain of sand, He is aware of them at the same time.

You have to have the experience of that Consciousness to really realize that is possible. For us it is not possible to have a human brain and even in our brain, only 10% of it is really working. About 90% of it is not really utilized. Just imagine if we can utilize the rest of our brain, probably we could really realize the universe. Of course, God opens that part of our brain once in a while in a vision, and we can see that He is incredibly out there in everything. 

So yes, we are in the Grace of God and The Holy Ghost always looks over us.

But that does not mean that there is a “hierarchy” between us or there is a being that we should get attached to, or teachers or angels and this and that, but just God alone. That is the message really humanity has to realize. 

If they want to become One, that is the unity. God unifies, anything between God and man will separate man from man, and bring destruction. 

Great, great question, and I hope that answers your question. If it did not, go ahead and have a follow-up. Of course, this is a Conversation again and all can participate. If there are not many questions, then we can meditate or do something like that. 

Go ahead, Shakti.

 

Shakti: Thank you Maitreya-Ji. I am listening to your Teaching and it comes to mind that Scripture that says that we can only go to Father through the Son, through the Christ. And when He comes, He is the highest on earth, to bring humanity to its highest. And such a rare occurrence it is happening in this lifetime. So, I was thinking of the concentration that technology has of the past, will keep us focused and one-pointed on that with the work we came to do. Thank you.

Maitreya: Now, what does it mean that you go to the Father through the Son? What did Christ mean? What did Prophet Muhammad mean when he said, Listen to the Prophet, what he says is the Word of God?

What does that really mean, to go to God through the Christ? Is that believing that he died for you and arose, or to believe in Prophet Muhammad as the last Prophet or the Prophet of God? Or believing in a name or meaning in something?

What does that mean, “you go to the Father through the Son?”

 

Shakti: That the Father has sent His Son into the world many times to guide humanity, and the Son has the knowledge of the Father. He knows the Father. For those of us who want to know, He will give us that knowledge of how we can go to the Father through the Teachings and through meditation, awakening our spiritual forces, and following the Path. He is the Center, the Nucleus. 

Maitreya: OK, yes. The operating word is “guidance.” He comes to humanity and brings the guidance. He brings the Word of God to man, and so the only way to go to God is to follow the Words that come to the Prophets and are in the Scriptures, and through the Messiah or the Son of God or the First Begotten Son.            

So the Path is that word “guidance,” the Word of God. So can we go God if we are not listening to the Word of God, that He has come through His Son, and still they believe that they are going to go to God? No, we cannot, exactly. The whole point is to follow the Word of God, follow the Eternal Divine Path, to become an Elect, to become a Paravipra, a knight of that army or people who have come to earth to show the way to God.

So I show the way to you, and you follow the Word of God and become an instrument for His Spirit to come through. You surrender and submit to God and become One and give thanks to God, and you join the Communities of Light, you follow the Eternal Divine Path, or at least you try to create the Communities of Light wherever you are.

Then you become a part of God’s Plan. As you progress, of course, you will receive The Grace and unity with God, and you will go to God. So, nobody goes to the Father but those who will follow the Eternal Divine Path, the guidance, the guiding light, the Path that has been revealed to humanity. 

Of course, your focus also has to be on the manifested Messiah because if you are not focusing on the Only First Begotten Son, … it is very hard to focus on the Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and Eternal (FINE). So then what happens is that everybody says, “I received this revelation from the FINE, and therefore I know the way. I have not fulfilled any prophecies but I know and everyone should follow me.”

As it has happened in the other religions, after a while we will have to see that we will have separation between people, because everybody has their own opinion. Some people appeal to some people, and some people appeal to other people, and after a while everybody starts following different teachers and realizations, and the Teaching and the Mission is going to be fragmented into many branches, ideas, and understandings.

But if the focus is on the Messiah or central figure, then everybody will become One. If you have an opinion, you can say, “It is my opinion, let us see what the Focus says about it.” Or you can bring it here, we can discuss it together, and we can clarify anything that might not be clear to you or to anyone. 

So that is why it really works this way that, yes, the manifestation of Christ is very important because that brings the Word of God to man and because it is very hard for man to hear the Word of God directly themselves. Also, who knows what he heard? That is why it is prophesied that such a thing is going to come and then when He comes, of course, that is the Word of God.

Great knowledge has been given to you all, and this great knowledge should be disseminated and given to everyone.

It will happen, but right now humanity is pretty much in mundanity and gross, and they have so many dogmas and separation, disunity, and ego, that people come here and they hear it during the week. They promise that they are going to be here Saturday and then they do not show up, which is OK.

But it is good for them if they go to the website, study it, understand what the Teachings are, and realize in depth what God did to this point. Then they can come here and even in a greater degree, understand these Teachings.

So, again, if you have any other questions, go ahead and bring them up. Then search your Soul, see what is in your Soul that in this Mission you can improve yourself and find something that might be helpful to you or others in understanding this Teaching in a greater degree.

The Word of God has to be followed. I cannot follow it for you. I can just give you the Teaching and of course, most of you have been hearing this for the last 20-25 years, and you have to become the Word of God and follow what has been given in the Mission. If you are not completely one with it and you are lukewarm, of course, the benefit will not be as great as if you drop everything and say, “Yes, I am One with God and I want to be One with God. I have no desire for myself but God’s Will is greater for me than anything else or anybody else.” 

Of course, there are many levels of consciousness in the Mission like anything else in the universe, and we need everybody where they are. Just start from where they are and progress in a greater degree. But also we need Great Souls to come, join, help, and get on with it and forget about their little things in life but on the greater things that is in God.

God is great. God is wonderful. The Mission is good. You are all good, and as we become more God, we become more good. That is what you want to become: Godly and good, and set an example for everybody to become Godly and good. 

Actually I was talking to Ishwara the other night, and the conversation went to the knights. We are really trying to create the knights of the round table. We have the round table. We are just looking for the knights now, to come and become the knights of the Round Table.

Ishwara was surprised that I know that knights in French are called “chevaliers” so we are trying to create knights and chevaliers in our leaders, and bring the ideal of the greater beings as people who are honorable, who are trustworthy, who are great, who are honest, who are willing … [reading text].

Yes, “chevaliers.” We have to create chevaliers or knights who create a greater quality of humans with the ability to help other people. There are good ideals all over the world that humanity has been trying to create. And now, of course, we call them “Paravipras” in a greater degree, those who follow the Eternal Divine Path but we do not describe the other good qualities that other people have tried to create, just like the knights of the Round Table.

We are looking for the knights, the people who are creating a greater character of humanity.

Welcome to the Mission of Maitreya’s Conversation Room, Lou. There are not very many people here who are not part of the Mission, so we are having a lighter kind of conversation together. If you have a question, go ahead and raise your hand, anybody. You can raise your hand.

We are talking about how Paravipras really have the same concept as the knights of the round table. Actually the Mission has a round table and we have our meetings around the round table, and the whole idea of the round table is that everybody is equal when sitting around it.

It does not have any top or sides but all are equally sitting around the round table, and that is what we are looking for. We are trying to create or at least find humans who have higher characters and a greater degree of human or God’s manifestation of the valor, honor, the ability to sacrifice, or creation of the Communities of Light, to create an environment where we are helpful to one another. 

If we do not have those higher qualities, can we still be called knights, like they called the knights around King Arthur, when they did not have the honor or valor or those qualities? We have to create those qualities in ourselves, and it is very hard to come by those qualities these days, because everybody is becoming very self-centered in this time of human history.

But they are there. They are people who God has already chosen and they have been in progress to this point. Of course, it is good for everybody again to go to the website [www.maitreya.org], read THOTH, and come up with the good questions, unless, of course, you do not have any questions.

Welcome to the Mission of Maitreya’s Conversation Room. In this room we talk about the Mission of Maitreya that unifies all religions of the world and has shown that God has been sending the Revelation of all the religions to this point, and each of these religions have one great message for humanity. Only when you put all of these messages together will a great Path be revealed to man that will lead them to their salvation. 

If you have been here during the week, of course, you have been guided to go to the Mission website and study our Teaching. Then come here and ask your questions in a conversational manner if you have any questions or anything that you want to talk about. We had a question about the daily influences in our lives and the conclusion was that it is The Holy Ghost, God, that brings these influences.

As we become closer to God, these influences are known to us in a greater degree. Actually, if you really become close to God, you will see that your whole life has been guided to this point and you have been guided by God to reach where you are.

This is true for every human being. Of course, those who resist God have their own will and they will reap the guidance of God. Those who come closer to the Spirit of God, they will have … [reading text] Yes, sure, KeyasQueen, you can come here and listen if you want to. I do not know if you have been in our room during the week. Usually the room is open here in the morning and noon, and at night.

When you come here, they guide you or they ask you to go to our website and somebody will post the URL. You can go and click on that, and study our Teaching or you can see it in the banner in the room, click on either one and you can read all about this Mission and what it stands for.

This Mission stands for the unity of all religions. It has fulfilled the prophecies, opened the Seven Seals, and revealed to humanity the Book which is Sealed with the Seven Seals. Now we are here and calling the Elects or the knights of the round table or those who have greater quality of Light and are willing to sacrifice everything and bring those qualities in themselves and reach others who have those qualities.

Therefore, go to our website [www.maitreya.org]. [reading text]

 

KeyasQueen [text]: I do not like to use my mic. I just like to hear what people are reading from the Bible.

Maitreya: Yes, very good. Our Teaching all is based on the Bible, and the Bible is the main book which all other religions are based on. In the Bible, it is revealed how God will send Seven Seals or Seven Angels (Prophets), and each of these Seals and Prophets have one great Message for humanity and therefore, when you see all of them together, you see the truth of God and the Plan of God.

Therefore, during the week if you come here, they ask you to go to our website and study it and see if you have any questions. Then you can come here Saturday and talk to me about them. I wrote that book THOTH, The Holiest Of The Holies. I know the Teaching, I have been teaching it for the last 23-24 years, and therefore you can come and ask me what am I talking about, about THOTH, what is in it that I am revealing to humanity.

Yes, this is Maitreya. Maitreya is speaking, yes [answering text]. I am speaking to you right now, and I can see your text. If you have a question, you can put it in text. If you would like to come up and take the mic and ask your questions, you can do that also. We ask that you keep the questions on topic, which is the Mission of Maitreya and/or your religion or any religion you are in, and we can have a conversation then.

 

Question [text]: Are you really the Messiah?

Maitreya: Well, that is the question they asked Christ also, Are you the Christ? He said, If I say I am, you might not believe it, because it is a big claim, and I agree with that. It is a big claim. And if I say I am not, then I am lying to you and I do not like lies. Therefore you have to prove it to yourself if “He is really what He claims to be.”

Of course, it was other people who have proclaimed that Maitreya is Christ. They took out advertisements all over the world and in all capitals of the world, in newspapers and claimed that Maitreya is Christ, Maitreya is      the Messiah.

Of course, a lot of people also believe that Maitreya is the anti-Christ. So who is the truthful one?

 

Question [text]: So you are Jesus Christ?

Maitreya: Well, we do not believe that his name ever was “Jesus.” There is no “J” in Hebrew. But if you are talking about the Christ that came 2,000 years ago, it is the same Spirit. It is the same being that came as Adam, came as Abraham, came as Moses, came as Christ, came as Muhammad, came as Bab, and now He has returned to man. 

Of course, it is very hard if you are a Christian, this is absolutely … , probably it does not make too much sense to you.

 

Question [text]: So you were the one who died on the cross?

Maitreya: Well, that is a controversial topic if he died or not. Some people believe that he really did not die. But if you are talking about the beliefs in Christianity, it is the same Spirit that came 2,000 years ago and brought the teaching of Christ, Christianity, and eventually, of course, the religion of Christianity was formed from it. Like every other religion, it has been influenced by a lot of dogmas, ideas, and opinions. 

If you want to know in a deeper level about Christ, you will have to read our Teaching. Go to our website and that will bring to a greater degree of understanding about who Christ was. Of course, the most important part of any revelation or Messiah or Christ is his message. What was the message of Christ? 

 

Question [text]: Let me put it another way. Those who have crucifixions hanging on people’s walls, that is you?

Maitreya: Well, that is another thing we have to go deeper in a greater degree, which one? They have Christ with the long hair, they have Christ with the black hair, they have Christ with the blue eyes and blonde hair. They have Christ with different colors of the body or skin. Which one is that? 

So you can see that those are man-made and those are the beliefs that this is how the Christ should have looked. But if you are talking about the Christ that came 2,000 years ago, then yes. Actually if you touch my hands, you will see there is still a place where it shows that the places of the nails. It is just like when a wound is healed, how it heals, you can see the scars on my wrist and on my hands.

Those are the signs that God has given, the scars that you can touch and maybe believe, and those who have seen and not believed, those who are cursed and will not be reincarnated for a long time, and Blessed are those who have not seen and believe because they listen to the Teaching and they say, “Yes, that makes sense.”

 

Question [text]: So do you remember being on the cross?

Maitreya: These are the questions that are very personal. I do not know if really it makes any difference to understanding our Teachings. I have had the experience or vision of what you are talking about.

 

KeyasQueen [text]: I guess I will have to leave because no man should claim he is the Christ because when Christ come, in fact, every eye will see him.

Maitreya: Yes, you can see Him on the website. His picture is there, and everybody all over the world can see Him. And it will not happen the way Christians are waiting for. They missed Prophet Muhammad. They missed Bab. They missed Baba, and now with this understanding, you will miss the Last Revelation of God.

 

KeyasQueen [text]: No, you cannot see Christ on the web.

Maitreya: Well, why not? How do you know what God meant when He said that all will see Him? And of course, those who have their eyes open will see the Teaching and they will realize the prophecies are fulfilled and all the things that God said He will do, He has done them. They will see the Teaching and they will say, “Yes, there is One God and He sent all these revelations. This makes sense. I am not going to listen to preachers and dogma. I am going to listen to the truth that Maitreya is revealing to humanity.”

 

KeyasQueen [text]: These are simple questions.

Maitreya: Yes, they are simple questions, but they are based on your dogmas, or Christian dogmas. They are not based on the truth. The truth is in our website and therefore, if you really want the truth, that is where you find it. 

You have to empty your cup. I cannot put anything in the cup that is already filled up with dogmas and your religion. It is just like some Moslems come and say, “No, Prophet Muhammad was the last one,” and they are not going to listen to anyone else. 

OK, what can you do? 

 

KeyasQueen [text]: It says in the Bible that every eye will see Him.

Maitreya: Yes, that is your third eye. That is the eye of the truth. Those who have their eyes open will see the truth that we have revealed. They will see the prophecies, and they will believe and they have seen It.

That is why not everybody will see it. This is the truth but of course, if you have dogma, you will block The Grace of God and you cannot see for sure.

 

KeyasQueen [text]: Can you do miracles, like walking on the water?

Maitreya: OK, again that was needed for 2,000 years ago for people to believe in Christ. Our miracle is our Message. If you understand our Message, you will see some miracles. 

 

KeyasQueen [text]: You are not Christ.

Maitreya: OK, well that is your opinion. Ask God, and He will say I am. The text is going a little too fast, if there are any questions that I need to see, if someone can send them to me, I will answer them. 

 

KeyasQueen [text]: Not everyone can get the net. Not everybody can buy a computer.

Maitreya: Yes, but there are also other ways that people can get in touch with the Mission and those whose eyes are open will see Christ in themselves as well and hey will see Christ out. [reading text]

Yes, everybody has Light, “And the Light shineth in the darkness,…” but the man comprehended it not. Everybody has the Light, but they cannot see it because they are in the darkness. Therefore, there is no one who does not have the Light. 

 

KeyasQueen [text]: Are not you worried that the people are going to hang you up on the cross again?

Maitreya: Well, it is not prophesied at this time that this will happen again because, actually if you read about the Seventh Angel and the coming of this Revelation, He is supposed to be treated as the King, as Christ was supposed to be treated as the King too. And they put the thorns on his head and put a soldier’s coat and called him, “King.” Of course, they made a mistake because when Christ came at that time, he was prophesied to be crucified.

That is why God created the Internet. I can sit here and say the truth to you and guide you and tell you that God has fulfilled the prophecies and has brought the new Revelation to man.

The only thing you can do is to throw bad words or “cyber stones” toward me, but you cannot stone me the way they did Prophet Muhammad or crucify me the way they did Christ or shoot at me the way they did to Bab. Of course, that is always a possibility for humans to misunderstand God and take the very person that God sent to guide him as their enemy, and it has happened in the past.

It is very clear that man does not want to listen to the truth of God. They want to listen to their own egos, their own religions, their own preachers, their own cultures, their own genders, and they do not want to be guided. But this time it is time for the Elects to see this clearly, come together, unite, and create Communities of Light and bring the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth (KOHOE). 

Also, you are not going to be able to kill me or crucify me because “I shall return.” We believe in reincarnation, so it is a waste of time to kill me because “I will be back.” When I come back, of course, I will do the same thing, preach again the Teaching of Maitreya. 

 

Question [text]: Do you ever have any doubts that you are the Messiah, or do you feel like you are the Messiah all the time?

Maitreya: There is a Teaching or writing about my life. You can go to the website and read, “How He Became Maitreya” and you can read how that happened. You can see that it was guided to this point, or read the prophecies that God has fulfilled through me.

No other Prophet or Messenger or Messiah ever fulfilled as many prophecies as God has fulfilled at this time. That is the URL, Shirin and Ananda Ma just put it up for you, and you can go and look and see how it all happened.

 

Comment [text]: I am not asking about that.

Maitreya: What are you asking about, my life, or do I believe myself that who I say I am, I am? If I did not believe in it, would I have started this Mission? Would I have helped to create the website?

 

Question [text]: Do you ever have doubts that you are the Messiah, or are you confident all the time?

Maitreya: Well, sometimes of course, when people do not do the things they are supposed to do, or the Mission does not go anywhere and it seems to be falling apart, the doubt might come to somebody’s mind.

As Christ said, our Teaching is like Christ in the state of mind when he was absolutely One with God, as Christ said at one time, Me and the Father are One, no one goes to the Father but through me. And then at another time, someone called him “Good Rabbi” and he said, I am not good.

So there are two parts of Christ, as man and as Christ. And no Messiah or Prophet ever is 100% sure all the time, they are not 100% of it. Of course, I am 100% sure of it, and when I am giving Satsang as is in this moment, and when I reveal the Word of God, there is no doubt who is the Revealer of the Seven Seals and The Holiest Of The Holies (THOTH), The Last Testament, and the last Revelation.

But as a man, as a human, of course, humans like to doubt. When things go good for them, humans are elated, and when things go bad, they become doubtful. Actually they become more doubtful when things do not go very well for them and they say, “God, help me, help me,” and all that.

But in general, I do not have to be 100% sure all the time. The most important thing is that I am sure [smile].

 

Comment [text]: But you said you had doubts, you must not be 100% sure.

Maitreya: No, I am 100% sure. There is no doubt about it. No matter how you look at it, that is the way it is. So, there is no doubt. It does not make any difference whether I am sure or not; the most important thing is if you are sure or not. 

I have proven to myself who I am. Now you have to prove it to yourself, this is your obligation and duty to prove it either way. My job is done. I have proven it to myself.

 

Comment [text]: But you said you had doubts.

Maitreya: No, I do not have doubts at all, whatsoever. That is what you are trying to create in this environment, in this room. There is no doubt, and that sentence is absolutely false. 

But because God has sent this to you, you are now obligated to look into this completely. [responding to text] Sure, go ahead and ask questions but do not try to argue with me. You are arguing. You are not asking questions. I told you that there is no doubt, and if you want to know the truth, you have to prove it to yourself. 

If you have doubts, then it is your doubts, no one else’s. And those who doubt, of course, have all the rights to doubt. Actually we encourage people to doubt in the beginning but after they have proven to themselves that this is the truth, they will not doubt as many times as they had.

And of course, doubt is a part of the human trend, and everybody doubts once or twice in their lifetime, but if they have really proven to themselves that what is here is from God, their doubt does not stay very long. It stays for a while, unless the spirit of the world is so strong for them that they would rather be in the world, and of course, how can you go to the world if you believe that God has sent this Revelation.

So they have to doubt if, because they need another master than God, and the doubt comes in and they go to the world.

 

Comment [text]: You said you sometimes had doubts if the Mission does not go as it should and when people do not do what they are supposed to do. Then you change your mind and said that you do not have doubts.

Maitreya: That is because you do not want to accept that believing somebody is who they say they are. It is proven to them that it is the truth, then if there is a doubt that comes as the human part to them, it does not invalidate their assurance and their ability to know the truth about themselves and you want to use that part of the human against God’s Revelation.

Therefore, it is not the changing of the mind but blocking your tricky way to bring doubt in this situation. So, you are not correct. There is no doubt about this Mission and where it came from, and what it teaches is from God. 

Those who doubt, of course, we have compassion for them and we pray for them that their doubts will be lifted. But if they doubt to the point that they can go to the world instead of staying with this Mission, we let them go. They are not the Elects. They are not the Chosen Ones. They are not the people who will stay with God forever.

 

Question [text]: When you have doubts about being the Messiah, what do you think? “Oh, I am just another human, maybe I was wrong about this issue?”

Maitreya: Actually I am another human. It is a part of the Teaching, that Prophet Muhammad said, I am just a plain Messenger of God. I am a man. There is another place that says, Listen to the Prophet. His Words are My Words. Did he doubt himself? Was he a regular man? Yes, he was.

He was a regular man in the flesh. As long as you are in the flesh, you are a man, you are a human. But when the Spirit of God comes through, you and the Father are One. You have to know our Teaching, then these questions do not become such a big deal for you, if you understand what the truth of God’s Revelation is. [reading text] 

 

Comment [text]: He will not answer the question.

Maitreya: OK, then you have your own dogmas and ideas, and you think that Christ never doubted himself? Actually in the garden of Gethsemane, he even begged God, Take this cup from me. And that is doubt. That is kind of saying, God, you made a mistake, you chose the wrong person. I am not the one who should go to the cross. 

But of course, then he realized that, not my Will, but Your will be done.

So, your understanding of the Messiah or Christ is at fault, and that is why you want to bring doubt to us with your misunderstandings. Go and learn our Teaching, and understand who the Messiah is. He is a man and at the same time he is the representative of God and the Mouthpiece of God. 

Therefore there is an obligation and duty of every person because God sent this Revelation. God said there are going to be Seven Seals and Seven Revelations, and a Book will be Opened which has been Sealed with the Seven Seals. Now humanity is obligated to search and understand this very well and prove it to themselves either way.

Either prove to yourself that I am wrong, it is again your understanding, or prove to yourself that I am right. Again it is your understanding, it is between you and God. I am a plain Messenger and I have brought the Message to you and God has fulfilled the prophecies and sent what He said He would send to man, as He has said many things and He fulfilled them. Again He fulfilled His Words.

This is the time that the Seven Seals are opened and the Book Sealed with the Seven Seals is revealed. We are at this time that now the tribulation will come and eventually God’s Kingdom will be established on earth.

 

StrongLight [text]: Are you God’s only son?

Maitreya: There have been the son of God even before the flood of Noah, and the Spirit of the truth came to the creation at the beginning of the creation and went through the Eternal Divine Path, and He became the First Begotten Son of God. That is the First Begotten Son who comes as the Messiah, as the Prophet and brings the Message of God to man. 

Also if you read The Revelation, God said those who overcome will become My Son. Therefore there will be many, many sons of God and there has been sons of God even before the flood of Noah. Again we guide you, StrongLight, go to our website and study THOTH. It is your duty, it is your obligation, it is your responsibility, it is your Salvation to do that and understand this Teaching because if you do not do it, then you have missed the last Revelation of God and you will not be in a good shape.

For you and the whole humanity, this is a message for everyone. You have to prove it or disprove it what this claim is.

 

StrongLight [text]: I would rather hear it from the “horse’s mouth.”

Maitreya: OK, I am telling you to go and study our Teaching and see the Revelation. Right now, up to this point, it sounds like you are questioning mostly about the things that are based on some dogmas from some of the religions, either Christian, Jewish, or Moslem. 

There are a lot of misconceptions in the religions, and unless you go and study our religion and our Teaching, and realize the meaning behind the Revelation of God, these questions will be answered for you in a greater degree. The only thing that will be left for you would be, “OK, what is the Message? What is Maitreya asking for humanity to do? What does His Teaching teach me to become what is the Will of God?” not these questions which have already been answered and are not that great of an obstacle in God’s Way.

So, if you had read our Teaching or had listened to Satsangs, it would have clearly shown you that what we have taught for the last 20-30 years is that there are two parts in the Messiah or the Prophet. They are the Mouthpiece of God, and they are also men. 

OK, I am informed that my sound is breaking up, OK, so it is breaking up. Is it still breaking up? [reading texts]

Alright, anyway, this Satsang will be on the website. You can go and download it maybe in a couple of hours or tomorrow. It will be in the Satsang area, called “Conversations” and if you cannot hear them very well while I am talking on the Internet, you can hear them again in those audios that are very clear. It just takes a couple of minutes to download. They are very small files.

So you can see, you have to take the first step. My responsibility is to tell you that this is the last Revelation of God, this is the fulfillment of the prophecies. This is the opening of the Seven Seals and the Book Sealed with the Seven Seals. That is a big claim, OK?

Now, also it says that the prophecies have been fulfilled. The genealogy also matches exactly what God said that God will do. Now if all these things have come to you and you ended up in this room and I am telling you, “This is the last Revelation of God,” it is your responsibility and duty to see if it is the truth.

If it is the truth, then you are obligated to become a part of it. Otherwise, you missed it. If you came and you saw the truth, and then you left, that is even worse, because for some time you realized it is from God, and now the world got you and you no longer have one master. [reading text] 

 

Question [text]: When did you first know that you were the Messiah?

Maitreya: Well, that was what I was telling you, to go to that writing and read “How He Became Maitreya”. It is a long story, how all this came about. Actually, it is even evolving, I do not know if it is evolving or not, but even the genealogy and a lot of prophecies and still people are coming in with the new revelations or understandings of these things and making the Mission in a greater degree to realize how God has been planning for the coming of this Revelation for the last 12,000 years and how He has revealed so many truths that support our claim. 

If you go and read that about my life, you will see that it was a gradual realization of who I am and the culmination of that process happened when I was in Chicago and I went to the Baha’i Temple. In that moment, there was a great Vision that came together and brought the opening of the Seven Seals and this Revelation.

So, it is all there. Do you think I woke up one day and I said, Hey, I must be the Messiah because I know all these religions? No, it did not happen that way. It never happened that way at all. Even Prophet Muhammad had to meditate for fifteen years and eventually, of course, he had a moment of the  vision of Gabriel and even then, after that, for three years he would not receive any revelation.

He thought he had just gone crazy, that, How come I had the vision and now I do not receive any revelation from God at all? So, it does not happen suddenly. It happens gradually. Actually after you received the Revelation and you study your life, you will see that all your life you have been guided to this point.

After you realize that, of course, that Revelation is very gradual. Antonios, did you want to say something? Did you have a question? If you have a question, raise your hand and I will let you have the mic. It sounds like you took your hand down again.

So it does not happen suddenly. It happens gradually, and when it happens, you have no doubt of hearing exactly what God wants you to reveal to humanity, and it is wonderful that we all hear and receive the Word of God that has come to us again. 

Humanity can again realize that God said He will do things for you, or for humanity, and He has done them. Therefore God exists for sure, and we have to forget about our dogmas, our misunderstandings, our religion, our background, empty our cups and be open to the Revelation of God in order to be able to see the truth as God wants us to see it.

Welcome to the Mission of Maitreya’s Conversation Room. This is Maitreya who talks about the Mission and the Revelation we have received and given to humanity. This unifies all religions of the world. 

There is only One God, and He has sent all the revelations of all the religions to humanity. Our Teaching reveals that the only way is to realize that God has sent all religions. There is no separation between the revelations from the Prophets. [reading text]

Probably the Internet is very heavily used at this time, so we will probably have some problems with sound. As I said, if you cannot hear it very well at this time, this conversation will be posted on the website and it will take only a few minutes to download it. You can hear it again clearly when you have the file on your computer.

But at this time we are also calling for the people to come, help, and join us to become a contact person. A contact person is the person who goes to the website and reads about our Teaching or eventually realizes that, “Yes, it is from God,” and they are willing to become a contact wherever they are and reach out in their own community.

So we are not only reaching out through the Internet, but we are also reaching out to the people who want to come, join, become a contact, and reach to the community wherever they are. That is another part of the Mission.

But you have to prove it to yourself first, before you can become a contact. If you have not proven it to yourself, you cannot become a good contact because you still have your own doubts and you have not seen the Vision. The most important thing is to see the Vision clearly. 

After you saw the Vision, it is your Vision, and it is between you and God. If you do not see the Vision and spread the Message, of course, it spoils like the manna that spoiled at the hands of the Israelites, those who did not use it and therefore after a while it will not give you the benefit that it can give you. [reads text, laughs]

 

Question [text]: Do you ever think you might be going crazy and you are not really the Messiah? Because they say thinking you might be crazy is a sign that you are actually might be quite sane.

Maitreya: Well, a lot of people think I am crazy, but actually I think I am the sanest person humanity can have. There is no reason to feel crazy if you are absolutely correct and intelligent in your life.

Actually that is the difference between a crazy person or those who have the delusion of grandeur and the Messiah or the true Chosen One. That is, those who have the delusion of grandeur, their lives are miserable and full of bad decisions, and they think they are what they think they are without manifesting any revelation, any prophecies, or anything. 

Actually their lives are in a pretty bad shape. But the One who has been chosen by God is a very intelligent person and his life is pretty good, and he can handle the situations in life very intelligently and at the same time he believes in God. I know these days, believing in God and being intelligent sounds like contradictory situations. You are either intelligent, you have a good job somewhere, and you are making a lot of money, or you are crazy. [reading text]

 

StoneLight: Do you have a wife?

Maitreya: Yes, I have a wife, and I have a son. Therefore I am a family man or person, and actually we have handled our lives pretty good so far. Therefore, it is very hard to say a person is crazy if they have a pretty grounded life. But what are you trying to prove? That is what I do not understand. All these questions are very personal questions.

What is the Message? That is what you have to ask. You have to come and ask what is the Message and Revelation of God that has come to humanity and follow those Messages. These questions are all answered in that booklet we told you to go and study [“How He Became Maitreya”]. Of course, as there are no other questions left, that is why I am answering you. [reads text]

 

StoneLight: Well, if you are the Messiah, of course I am going to have questions.

Maitreya: Of course. Go ahead, you can have as many questions as you want but why don’t you ask good questions and higher questions in a greater level of questions about God, about the Revelation, what is the Message, and what is the goal of the life, why we are here, why this Message has come to humanity, and all those things. 

Those mundane questions have already been answered. [reads text]

 

StoneLight: So my questions are not good enough?

Maitreya: [laughs] Well, they are good enough. They are OK, but they are not the questions that should be in a higher level and you should be asking for your salvation. Me having a wife or not does not help you in your salvation toward God. 

Well, that is curious, I understand. It is OK. People are curious about those questions and you can ask them, but they have already been answered many times.

But the Revelation is the unification of all religions, how God sent all these Revelations separately but at the same time, they are all a part of a greater truth. And now that greater truth has come to man. 

Do not try to judge me. Try to understand me, because whoever judges me judges The Holy Ghost, and those who judge The Holy Ghost are doing it at their own peril and their own downfall.

 

StoneLight [text]: What does your son think about you being the Messiah?

Maitreya: He loves it actually, he does not want me to be anything else but the Messiah and he accepts that very well. His friends also accept … actually the whole school knows who I say I believe and think I am.

They have accepted it very well. So there is no problem about that. But of course, some people probably feel bad about him that he has the Messiah as his father [laughter]. But he does not care and he loves me for who I am and loves me for what I do.

We have a very good relationship with each other and he actually does not feel that I am his father. He views me as his big brother or friend. So, we have a very good relationship together and there are no problems at all. So what else? What other questions do you want to know about my mundane life instead of asking great questions about the Teaching?

Let me ask you a question. Have you been to our website and studied? StoneLight, this is a conversation, I am asking you a question. Have you gone to our website?

 

StoneLight [text]: Yes.

Do you realize that there are many people in history, and at present, who think they are the Messiah? 

Maitreya: Yes, yes. So that is good that you went there. [reading text]

 

StoneLight [text]: I saw your picture a long time ago.

Maitreya: Great, OK. That is good, so at least you have some idea about our Teaching.

Of course, I know that there have been many people in history and even now … actually there are many people who call themselves Maitreya and they channel Maitreya, they are waiting for Maitreya, and they are calling themselves Maitreya, but that is not important. 

There is only one who is the Messiah, who is Maitreya, who is the person that God said would come and bring this Revelation on earth. Prove it to me that I am not. Prove it to me that what I claim is wrong. Of course, first see the prophecies. See the Teaching. See that they are based on the Word of God, that they are revealing what God said He was going to send. Then prove that I am wrong.

 

StoneLight [text]: If someone really proves you are wrong, will you quit?

Maitreya: If you prove that I am wrong, I will quit. The moment you prove to me that I am wrong, what I say and teach, I will quit even if it is one minute before my death. But it is not. It is absolutely proven that what we say is from God. It is exactly what God promised would come to humanity. No matter how many people before me have claimed to be the Messiah, they are wrong, unless they are the people who also fulfilled the prophecies and came from God like Prophet Muhammad, Christ, Moses, and all that.

Whoever comes after me and claims that they are a Prophet, they are wrong, I mean if they say they are the Messiah and they have a Revelation. They are wrong. If someone truly proves to me that I am wrong, I will quit. But not based on your religion, your dogma, your understanding, but based on the Word of God.

If we concentrate on the Word of God, as I said, if we compare to the Prophets of God and where we are and how it happened, it is based on the Word of God and what He revealed to humanity. If anybody can prove that I am wrong, I will quit and I will do something else. 

That is because, I want to go to God. I want to go to “heaven.” I want to go back to the bosom of the Father, and I will do anything to go there. He told me to do this, it will come to me eventually. Of course, I will be the last one to go in, “the first will be the last, and the last will be first.” But if you prove to me that I am wrong, I will quit, no questions asked. I will quit then.

 

Question [text]: What has to happen to prove that you are wrong? (I am not saying you are wrong.)

Maitreya: I do not know, to me it is impossible for anything to happen that proves to me that I am wrong, because I have made it very clear to myself that I proved it that I am right.

So, what makes me believe that I am wrong? Tell me any place that God says there will not be any Seven Revelations, that He did not tell that there were going to be two sons from Abraham and Abram, that they will have a  territory and a Prophet come out of them. 

The amount of truth that has been revealed in this Mission is “mind-boggling.” The Revelation that has been revealed is amazing. Even the genealogy that eventually somebody brought to our attention is impossible to fake it or make it up. How can you prove these things are wrong? 

Or, if anybody can prove this is wrong … it is impossible. I do not know how you can prove it to me that it is wrong. [reading from text]

 

Question [text]: OK, I have some higher questions now. What keeps everything in the universe in motion?

Maitreya: Raja guna, the energy in the universe, is responsible for all the movement in the universe, and again, if you understand the three gunas or the three forces in the universe, you will see that energy is the power or the element that has propensities and movement. So that is what makes everything move, raja guna, the mutative force in the universe. 

Actually without the mutative force, nothing would have moved at all. Everything would have stayed still forever. [reading text]

 

Question [text]: Does raja guna exist in the physical universe?

Maitreya: Yes, of course.

 

Question [text]: Or is it a spiritual force?

Maitreya: It is both. There is no separation between the creation and the manifested world, and the spiritual world. This manifested world is an extension of the spiritual world, and that is why we do not separate the spiritual world and manifested world from each other. That is why we believe that everybody’s physiological and safety needs have to be provided before even asking them to sit and meditate and spiritually progress.

Therefore, we do see them as one, an extension of one another. So both worlds are one. They are not really one; they have the same elements. The whole universe is created with the same elements that God has been created from. So the universe is really an extension of God or Pure Consciousness. 

Again, I do not think you really have read our Teachings, because if you had read them, you would have known that we believe that God is consciousness and the three creative forces in the universe. In the beginning, God or Pure Consciousness was in an equilibrium state, therefore there was no external manifestation. This equilibrium was changed somehow, and because the forces in the universe went out of that balance, the universe went to the chaotic state or what the Bible in the very beginning says, There was chaos and darkness.

Of course, God did not want to see that His Body had been split into many different parts. That is why He moved and brought that creation under control. [reads text]

 

Question [text]: Wouldn’t hearing these answers from the Messiah be better than reading from a website?

Maitreya: Both are good. Actually the best way is to read them on the website or from the Book, then if you have a question, come and ask me. That is why I have this room open Saturdays. So you put some effort yourself first. Go and try to see what the Teachings are, because it is huge. It has a lot of information, truth, Revelation, and clarification. The unification has already been given in THOTH and our supplemental Teachings and Satsangs and all of that.

So, the first way is for you to put some effort yourself. Do not expect me to “spoon-feed” you the whole truth. Go there, put some effort into it, read about it, of course I do not expect you to understand the whole thing because it has a lot of words that probably you have never heard of. There are a lot of Sanskrit words, Arabic words, Persian words, or things like that, and then come and ask me here. [reading text]

 

StoneLight [text]: But the Bible says not to go beyond what is written in it, so reading your Teachings is forbidden. 

Maitreya: Where does it say that? Where in the Bible does it say that, StoneLight? Where in the Bible does it say that you should not … it sounds like you are a Catholic.

Catholics say that, the Bible does not say that. Where does it say that, tell us? [reading text]

 

StoneLight [text]: It says that in many places.

Maitreya: Where? Tell us. Tell us exactly where in the Bible it says that you should not go beyond the Bible. Tell us the verse and the book where it is said.

 

StoneLight [text]: The words of Jesus are in red and do not go beyond what is written.

Maitreya: Where does it say that? Where in the Bible does it say … well, I agree with you in that, that do not go beyond the red parts of the Bible that Christ said himself. [reading text]

 

StoneLight [text]: “If anyone adds to these words of mine, he will be …”

Maitreya: Exactly. Right. It says “anyone,” but not the Messiah. It says, “anyone.” If a person who has not fulfilled the prophecies and is not the Mouthpiece of God adds to the revelation of God or subtracts from it, a greater burden will be put on them.

 I agree with you. [reading text]

 

StoneLight [text]: I do not have my Bible here.

Maitreya: I agree with you. Nobody can reveal the commentaries on The Revelation, but He who has fulfilled the prophecies and opened the Seven Seals can. I am not adding anything to it. I am explaining what God meant with what He said.

That is why the only place you can hear the truth and the exact meaning of the Revelation of God and the Word of God, is through the Prophets of God and the Messiah who brings those revelations and the truth to you. I agree with you. No man should do that, but not the Revealer of the truth from God. He can do that. [reading text]

 

StoneLight [text]: But you add raja guna. That is not in the Bible.

Maitreya: Yes, it is in the Bible. It is the First Seal. The First Seal is the Mystical Paths which cover Buddhism, Hinduism, and all those religions, and in those religions, which is a part of the Bible, which is the First Seal, talks about the gunas and all that.

So you have to expand your mind. You have to first prove that I am who I am, and after that, no longer am I regular man who adds to the Bible but I am the Mouthpiece of God and have the authority and permission of God to interpret the meaning of His Words. 

OK, well, we are at the end of our time. Go again to our Teachings and study them in a deeper level, and you will see that what we say is the truth. [reading text]

 

Question [text]: What is your objective for the world?

Maitreya: The objective is to bring the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth. The objective is to bring God to humanity, to bring peace and tranquility, to bring the Kingdom Of God for humans. We are in the state of tribulation right now, and it is going to get worse. There was a black-out for 50 million people the last couple of days. It is a very small inconvenience for man. Greater problems will be coming to them unfortunately because they are not listening. They are not listening to God. They still have a lot of dogmas and misunderstandings as we can see from your questions that you are absolutely being brainwashed with the people that they tell you that they are the representative of God on earth and people listen to them instead of listening to God and His Prophets.

That is coming, and God said many ways in the Bible and The Revelation what He will do, and He has done it. Therefore, He will do it. [reading text]

 

Comment [text]: I am very sorry, your sound convinced but you do not sound like the Messiah. I do not feel any of The Holy Ghost.

Maitreya: Well, you have to feel the presence of The Holy Ghost in the truth that has been revealed to you. You probably are looking for a preacher who jumps up and down, and says, “Halleluiah!” and gives you those emotional up-lifts that a lot of preachers on the television or in the churches do, and they play with your emotions. 

Here we say the truth. If you want emotion and jumping up and down, and feeling good and put your hands up, “Oh, I am receiving The Holy Ghost,” then you are working with the emotions and those things will not take you to God. 

Those are not the presence of The Holy Ghost. The presence of The Holy Ghost is the certitude and certainty of the presence of God and His Words, not a moment of relief and emotional uplift. That is not The Holy Ghost. If you are looking for that momentary feeling, that is not the greatest thing that can come to man. 

OK, GoodHumanMan, you can go ahead and ask your question if you want, but our time is finished. Actually we are five minutes over. Now you can reddot StoneLight, because he is not really helping the situation here. He is just babbling like Babylon the great. You go ahead, GoodHumanMan. If you have another question, I will stay a little longer, and if you have a question, go ahead. [reading text]

 

GoodHumanMan [text]: Is it true that you believe that the Seven Seals have been opened?

Maitreya: No, it is not that I “believe.” They have been opened. It is revealed to humanity what they are, and the truth has already been given to man. They have been opened, and they are revealed to humanity. [reading text]

 

GoodHumanMan [text]: Since as you say, these Seven Seals have been opened, where were they opened from, earth or heaven?

Maitreya: They have been opened in heaven. The Kingdom Of God has already been established in heaven, and they have been known to humanity or to Spirit from the very foundation of creation. Now they are revealed to human where they are at this point. 

Of course, again, we encourage everybody to go to our website, go to our Teaching. Twelve thousand years ago the third eye of man was closed, and the human became a rational animal. Now they have forgotten the Eternal Divine Path.

So, in the last twelve thousand years, humanity did not know about the Eternal Divine Path. They knew about the different revelations from the different Prophets, and now He has revealed the whole truth to humanity and we know the Eternal Divine Path. So, the Seven Seals are opened, yes.

The last Revelation of God has come. He has revealed the truth. He has revealed that He truly exists, and those who oppose Him, of course, The Holy Ghost, are going to be in trouble.

 

GoodHumanMan [text]: The Seals have been opened from heaven, right?

Maitreya: What do you mean by “opened from heaven?” If you want to come up and take the mic and explain yourself, you can do that. What do you mean by, “opened from heaven?” Go ahead, GoodHumanMan.

 

GoodHumanMan: I hope my mic works. I have trouble a lot of times on my end. I was just asking, if the Seals have been opened, where were they opened from? Were they opened from earth or were they opened in heaven? I was just kind of wondering.

Maitreya: Well, they originated in heaven, that is why they show a Path. Again, if you go to our website and study them, you will understand in a greater degree. The whole idea is that the Eternal Divine Path is a Path.

It is called Eternal, because it came from eternity. It came from heaven. It came from the very beginning of creation. It is Divine, because it leads to Divinity, and it is a Path. You follow it. It does not have any dogma. If you do not follow it, you will not receive the benefit. And that has come from eternity, therefore it has been in heaven, if you believe in that.

But it was not open to humanity … [reads text] 

 

GoodHumanMan [text]: I have lots of questions.

Maitreya [smiles]: OK, our time is finished. You were late a little bit, but go ahead. And then in the last 12,000 years, it has not been revealed to humanity. Now it is revealed again. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: Who opens the Seven Seals?

Maitreya: OK, if you go to chapter five of The Revelation, it clearly says that only the Lion of the Tribe of Juda has the ability to open the Seven Seals, or the Book Sealed with the Seven Seals. 

So the only person who can open the Seven Seals is Christ and no one else can, and then, a part of the prophecy of course is the genealogy and I have proved in the genealogy that my ancestry comes from King David, and therefore I am the Lion of the Tribe of Juda, and all that. So that is what the Bible says and God says that is the only person who can open it. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: Sir, did I just understand you to say that you are the Lion of the Tribe of Juda and it is you who is opening the Seals? Is my understanding correct?

Maitreya: Well, actually I did not say that, well I said it right now but I did not know until some other people came and they proved it to me that I am. So in a sense God put it in such a way that it makes it very clear to other people that I did not come up with these ideas one day that, “I am this, I am that,” but other people actually came with this idea that I am.

But did I reveal the Seven Seals? Yes, I have revealed the Seven Seals. I have opened the Book which is Sealed with the Seven Seals. That is one of the miracles in this Mission. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: OK. Who were these people that came to you and told you that you are the Lion of the Tribe of Juda, and do you specifically recall opening these Seven Seals?

Maitreya: Well, these people were the people who really did not know me and came to our room, and they insisted that I have to be from King David. The only thing I remember was that my parents, especially my mother, used to insist that we are from Nadar Shah, the king of Iran around 200-300 years ago. Our ancestry goes to him. 

Those people told me that Nadar Shah was from King David. His ancestry goes to King David and then they had made an effort to find my genealogy, and after a couple of months of study and research, they came up with … it is in the website, if you go to the website, my genealogy is right there. And that connects me to King David. 

Of course, that does not make you a Messiah or the Lion of the Tribe of Juda, but after you go and study the prophecies and you connect all of them together with the Revelation and the opening of the Seven Seals and the Teaching based on the Word of God, then you have no choice but to conclude that, “Yes, this is from God and this is the fulfillment of the promise of the opening of the Seven Seals.” Go ahead. [pause] We lost your sound, GoodHumanMan. Do you have any other questions, or that was it? [pause]

 

GoodHumanMan: Has the anti-Christ been revealed from heaven yet?

Maitreya: Yes, for a while, our Teaching was that the anti-Christ is the world, is Maya, is according to the world and of course, before I announced my Revelation to humanity in 1982, there was a gentleman by the name of Crème who came and he claimed that Maitreya will come in the spring of 1982. And of course, his Maitreya never showed up and his teaching is not based on the Word of God and the way his Maitreya was supposed to come is not based on the Scriptures and the way God has been doing it all this time. 

Therefore we believe that still the anti-Christ is Maya, is the attraction of the external world but also what Mr. Crème says and represents sounds like an opposition to Christ. They do not even believe that Christ was born in the flesh and they say he was overshadowed by their Maitreya. Therefore we believe also that he has already announced to be here and so their Maitreya and their claim is opposite to the Mission and the Word of God and therefore is the anti-Christ. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: Yes, thank you. In Revelation 6:2, who does that reference, as John wrote in Revelation 6:2, what is that referencing?

Maitreya: OK, can you read the verses?

GoodHumanMan: Sure, I would be happy to [reading]:

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Who is that?

Maitreya: That is referring to the first horseman. Therefore, the first horseman is the teaching of the First Seal, and that is of course Christ. Christ has revealed all the revelations to this point, and he is the first rider. That is the teachings of the Far East and the Mystical Paths, and he has brought with him many, many revelations and teachings which is referring to Christ.

The First Seal is referring to Christ, the Second Seal is referring to Christ, the third Seal or the rider, the Fourth Seal … all of them are referring to the same Being. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: OK, I am having some PalTalk lag problems here, I think. You said Revelation 6:2, the first rider, the second, the third, and the fourth rider are all … [lost sound] 

Maitreya: I think you are having a lot of problems with your PalTalk. I am not receiving any sound at all. Maybe you should go out and come back, and we can continue then. 

If anybody else has things to do or they have to go, you go ahead and go. If you want to stay, of course, you are welcome to stay. That would be fine. But right now … [reads text] Yes, you can type. That would be good. 

 

GoodHumanMan [text]: Will you be here when I come back?

Maitreya: Yes, we will wait for you. Go ahead and go out and come back, and we will answer your questions then. Meanwhile, if anybody else has any questions. [reads text] You are welcome, GoodHumanMan.

If anybody else has any other questions related to the Mission and our teachings and want to know the Truth, not to be emotional and just yell, “No, you are not, no, you are not” that does not help. It just is a very immature way of wanting to prove you are right. You are not seeking the truth.

If you are seeking the truth, you will go, study, compare, look, and see, and eventually prove to yourself whether it either is truth or not. If you believe it is not truth, go your way. We leave you to God. We did not come to your room and yell at you that you are wrong. 

Just go ahead and leave us to God as we leave you to God. But if you proved to yourself that it is the truth, then come and join us, and help out. Go ahead GoodHumanMan.

 

GoodHumanMan: Thank you, Sir. I would like to thank you for the discourse of our conversation, which is rational with a mutual respect of each other. And I want to thank you for that.

Can we agree that John is in heaven beginning in Revelation chapter 4, and in Revelation chapter 5, the scene is still in heaven. Can you and I agree that John sees these visions that God allows him to see? He writes them down in the book called Revelation. Can you and I agree with that?

Maitreya: Well, I guess first we have to agree on what do you mean by “heaven?” Do you mean it is a place that people go to? Or is it a state of consciousness? What do you mean by “heaven?”

 

GoodHumanMan: OK, heaven is …[loses sound, pause] OK, I lost sound. Hold on, I have to go into preferences and do my global … there we go, I am sorry, I am awfully sorry. 

Maitreya: OK.

GoodHumanMan: The reason why I say “heaven” is because of this verse in Revelation, chapter 4, verses 1 and 2. Let me read it:

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

The reason why … I believe he is in heaven because also the next verse:

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

You have to agree that this is heaven. I mean, God sits upon a throne. His throne is not earth. Earth is the dominion of Lucifer for right now. If you are Jesus Christ, you ought to know as you wrote the book. Lucifer has dominion over this earth.

Earth is the dominion of Lucifer right now. Heaven is the dominion of God. That is where His throne is. Can you and I agree on this?

Maitreya: Well GoodHumanMan, you did not answer the question. The way you are explaining it, now I can understand where you are coming from. You sound like either a Christian or have a background of heaven is a place where people die and they go in, and Lucifer is a man or a person who is ruling the world and therefore, when they say, “Come hither,” so when they say the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth, what do they mean, that the earth goes to heaven? Somebody picks up the earth and takes it to heaven? It is now a place and this is the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth? 

That was what my question was. What do you mean by heaven? Apparently you believe that heaven is a place, is a physical place that exists that some people go to. We do not believe that. 

Heaven to us is a state of consciousness. It is Pure Consciousness. It is Godliness. Earth or the lower nature is when the devil’s realm is the lower nature, that man falls to that. We can absolutely agree on that. Which one is correct? 

It is a place, or is it a state of consciousness? Then we can continue with this discussion. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: Well Sir, the Bible mentions no state of consciousness now. You asked me where heaven was, or what heaven is, and I told you that heaven is the abode of God. That is what God’s home is. Now here, it is simply in this verse, it talks about heaven, it speaks of “doors opened” in heaven. It is a literal place, it is not in …

John was not in anybody’s consciousness here. He was in a literal place called “heaven,” and he sees a multitude of things. He sees a door opening, he is given an order to “come up thither.” John sees a throne, John sees One sitting on the throne. These are not in his mind. These are not images in the author’s mind. He is in a literal place. 

Now you and I, Sir, we have to agree with this. John is in a … he is standing in a physical place. And he sees 24 Elders and 24 seats. He hears thundering and lightening. He sees 7 lamps of fire burning, which represent the 7 Spirits of God. He sees a crystal sea of glass. He sees 4 living creatures. John is in a place that is described consciously. Can you and I agree?

I mean, if you are the Messiah, you have what is known as a place that is called “heaven.” 

Maitreya: OK, GoodHumanMan, we cannot agree because I understand where you are coming from, but you do not know where we are coming from, and therefore you say the things you believe are correct. Do you mean therefore that anybody who has a Vision anytime in the history of man means they really went to a place? OK? Daniel had a Vision of a goat and a statue that the head was gold and all that, so it even existed? It really was there?

Or, many people have visions of Christ with different colors of hair, body, and all that, so Christ has many different bodies? We are talking about the visions. We are not talking about a place. 

Yes, in Spirit, in visions, in consciousness, John saw those things, and God can give visions to people and show them places that they believe they exist. But do they really exist?

That is why it is so important for you to first prove to yourself if I am who I say I am, and then drop your own understanding and understand God’s understanding which comes through this Vessel.

If you have not proved that, then we are going to have an argument instead of discussion. That is the point. We are not going to be able to agree, because I do not believe, and I will not believe that heaven is a place. It is a state of consciousness, and you believe it is a place.

That means we cannot agree. One of us have to give in. Either you are the Messiah, you have the Word of God and then I have to listen to you, or I have the Word of God and you have to listen to me. 

So we have to really clear that one first, then we can discuss this matter further. Otherwise, you cannot convince me that heaven is a place. Yes, it says, “come hither,” but come from the lower nature to the higher self which is heaven. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: Well, I would never say that anybody who had a vision was right or wrong, but I do believe that John had a vision and he was right when he wrote about it. I do not believe that it was just in his mind, I believe that he was in a literal place called “heaven.”

Now the Bible at the same time, at the end of the book of Revelation, says adding to or taking away from His hallowed Word, can you and I agree with that point? We have to agree somewhere. We have to find some mutual ground that you and I can agree on, and then we can go there. Can you and I agree that God, from His hallowed Word, the Bible, explicitly says that man cannot add to or take away from the Bible. Can you agree with that?

Maitreya: Well, again it is the same problem. We cannot agree because we know where you are coming from but you do not know what our Teachings are about this matter. Therefore, the only thing you think we should agree with what you believe is the correct way. 

Actually the same question came up with another person, StoneLight, about an hour ago that no man can add to the Bible or The Revelation. That is correct. No man can do that, but the Messiah can. That is what you have to first realize if I am who I claim I am, and if you proved to yourself that I am, then I can prove it. But if I am only a man, no I cannot. 

If I do, I will be punished very severely for it as the Bible says. Therefore you can see that our problem again is that you have to prove to yourself that my claims are correct, and then we can go from there. Otherwise, you have your own understanding from your religion or preacher or culture, and you have some ideas of what they mean, and you want me to agree with that. And it will not happen. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: The Revelation chapter 22 starts with these verse 18-19:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Do you agree that those two verses are true? This is in your Bible. 

Maitreya: I do not think that you hear me, GoodHumanMan, that I agree with those words, but those words are for men. Men cannot do that, OK? 

So if you do not understand what I am saying, you understand that God can do that.

 

GoodHumanMan: I have to ask this next question. Are your hands nail scared, and your ankles, and does your thigh have a spear’s wound in it? 

Maitreya: Yes, you can see the scars in my hands and in my wrists. Remember the Bible has been written by the people who have changed it a lot. Therefore, having scars in the feet and the side is not something that could be completely correct. Somebody might have made it up. I have not looked at my feet very often, but you can see the scars on my hands and my wrists.

So, most of the crucifixions actually happened that way, they crucify you by putting nails in your hands and your wrists to make it even more painful because if you have your feet nailed, it is much easier to pull yourself up. It is a little painful but if you are hanging just from your hands and wrists, that is much more painful. But yes, I do have those.

See, these things like experiencing the crucifixion, many people have experienced, you know, they have been crucified and they believe they are Christ. The most important things are the prophecies and the other things that have been revealed here. Go ahead. Are there any other questions for me, GoodHumanMan?

 

GoodHumanMan: Yes. In Matthew it is given, If any man says, “I am Lord,” believe them not. Are you familiar with that passage?

Maitreya: Yes, I am. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: OK, my question, respectfully so, is, since I do believe that passage, I believe it is in the 24^th chapter of Matthew, why should I believe you when the Lord Jesus Christ specifically says that I should not believe a person that says, “I am Lord,”     Being respectful, Sir, we have to address that issue as well.

Maitreya: Well, actually that is very correct. You should not believe anybody, not even me, that I claim what I claim. You have to prove it to yourself that my claim is correct, and if you prove it to yourself, that is not what I told you but it is what you have realized and The Holy Spirit in God revealed it to you. And that is what that sentence means.

Do not believe anybody and believe what God will reveal to you in a clear way in the Revelation, in the prophecies, in the genealogy, and at the end you say, “Yes, God indeed has sent His Prophet again to earth, the Messiah, here.”

Then you can claim to humanity that the Messiah is here. That is the only message anybody in the Mission should take to humanity that the Messiah is here. And that is the most important thing for humanity to know.

 

GoodHumanMan [text]: Matthew 24:5:

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." 

Maitreya: You see, if you had come to our website and studied but instead you ask all these questions, without asking about our answer. I do not mind repeating myself but these all are things that have been answered. For instance, I did not give my name to myself. One of my names is Jaha’u’llah which is distinguished from the name of Baha’u’llah, and means “The Glory of God.” 

The rest of my names Maitreya, Mohammed, Vigi Kumar, Joseph, and all my names were given to me and none of those names did I give them to myself. Therefore that prophecy does not apply here. If you had gone to the website, you would have seen those things very clearly that what you believe are all incorrect and all of them have been answered, and God’s Revelation indeed has come to earth.

Now it sounds like you are here to prove I am wrong and you will not succeed, and it is going to be a waste of time. Go ahead.

 

GoodHumanMan: Well, I may not succeed Sir, but you very well may be … but I am going to be respectable. And I thank you for being respectable of me.

Maitreya: Sure.

 

GoodHumanMan: It says in Matthew chapter 24, it gives a scenario of things that will happen during the last days. People will say, “Here is Christ, there is Christ,” and He will not. False teachers, false preachers, brothers against brothers, and then in verse 30 it says:

“And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

So that is after all these things. We have not seen all these things yet. So you would be an imposter by this verse in Matthew 24:30.

Maitreya: OK, I do not think calling somebody an imposter is being polite and respectful. So you broke your own rule here, and if you want respectful, then be respectful and approach these matters respectfully. I think your question, what you have read, has already been happening on earth, brother again brother, father against son, son against the mother, and all that. This is all happening.

The tribulation is here. What else do you need to know, it is like Sodom and Gomorrah, and we have all the signs here that it is the time for a new Revelation. “He will come from the heaven,” again, if you go and read, study, and inform yourself, you will realize that “heaven” means Pure Consciousness and He comes as an Avatar, as a person who has been in Pure Consciousness.

Therefore, you again go and study our Teaching and expand yourself, get out of your dogma, and become an expanded-minded person that the truth has been revealed to you. Either you are a truth-seeker, or you are trying to prove that you are right. If you are a truth-seeker, this is the truth. If you are trying to prove that you are right, I am telling you that you are wrong. Go ahead.

GoodHumanMan: Alright Sir. But this verse, Matthew 24:30, explicitly says “heaven,” and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in “heaven.” Here on earth. This speaks of the second coming. Can you and I agree with that, the second coming when Christ comes and redeems the church? Can you and I agree with something tonight?

Maitreya: No, we cannot, because you have been throwing your dogmas here, you do not know what we teach, and we do not agree with your dogmas. That is the whole idea of when a New Revelation comes, to explain the truth, not to support dogmas and agree with … 

That is exactly what happened to Christ. Christ came, the Jews had a lot of dogmas, and he did not teach the dogmas they believed in. That is why they killed him, because they could not stand hearing the truth. 

Again I am telling you that if you are a seeker of the truth, here is the truth. If you want to prove yourself that you are correct and your religion is the best, it is not. And I will take only one more question from you, and that is going to be the end of it.

If you have any other question, go ahead. We do not agree, because you do not understand our Teaching and what you are throwing here are Christian dogmas and they are incorrect. We have proven already that most of them are just man-made by human ego and preachers, and it is time for the Elects to come, seek the truth, and realize the true meaning of “heaven,” of “earth,” of “hell,” of Christ, of his coming, here and there, OK? 

So, if you wanted the truth, go to our website. If after you understood our Teaching and you come here to discuss it, that is fine. Do not bring your Bible and your understanding here and expect me to agree with you. It will not happen. That is the last question you can have. Go ahead. 

 

GoodHumanMan: Well, I will end now with a verse from the Bible, Matthew 24:24-25:

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Behold, I have told you before.

And with that Sir, I will depart your room.

Maitreya: OK, well, we have heard this before. This is not new news or nothing new, and apparently you do not want to know the truth. You want to be proven correctly, and you have been proven not correctly but you are wrong and therefore you do not want to withstande the truth because there is too much Light there to stand it.

I leave you all to God and be with the Spirit, and prove everything to yourself and hopefully you will progress and see the truth that God has sent to humanity, and God be with you all. Sal-Om.